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good morning. i'm jane pauley and this is "sunday morning." it was the verdict heard around the world this past week as former president donald trump learned his fate in the first-ever criminal trial of an american president. >> donald trump has been found guilty on all counts. >> this morning our robert costa will be looking at the jury's guilty finding, reaction to it, what's happened since, and what could lie ahead. then ted koppel attends a trump rally to speak with the former president's supporters about the upcoming election and what comes after. >> snacks for the rally. >> reporter: you can meet some really nice people at a trump rally. not surprisingly, they love trump. >> if anybody's guilty, it's biden. >> reporter: also -- >> sorry. >> reporter: no shocker here, they are not crazy about reporters. >> why don't you tell the truth

about joe biden, treason? >> reporter: so far, pretty much like any political rally, until someone raises the possibility that trump may lose. >> i think we are doomed. >> reporter: coming up on "sunday morning." four decades ago, "girls just want to have fun" launched cyndi lauper to pop mega-stardom. since then she has earned grammy, emmy, and tony awards, along with bona fide legend status. this morning she looks back with our anthony mason. >> i never wanted just a hit song. i wanted a song that meant something, like the songs that got me through. ♪ if you fall i will catch you, i will be waiting ♪ >> reporter: cyndi lauper has given us many meaningful hits. she recalls it all in a new documentary. this is you right here? >> feels like a different life.

>> reporter: later on "sunday morning." cyndi lauper shows her true colors. michael crichton, the acclaimed screenwriter and author of the book "jurassic park" among many others died in 2008, yet tomorrow his new novel "eruption" hits the shelves. how? tracy smith will explain. >> reporter: the story goes like this. when "jurassic park" author michael crichton died he left an unfinished novel about a killer volcano. so his wife got another great writer, james patterson, to finish it. >> i can't imagine that you were looking for something to do? >> i am always looking for something to do. >> reporter: are you? >> sure, a little bit. i am open to things to do for sure. >> reporter: two authors, one explosive novel ahead on "sunday morning." then on to a musical that's

the talk of broadway. but it's a show with no dialogue. a unique take kelefa sanneh has been looking into. john blackstone tells us about a case now before the supreme court that could have profound implications for the unhoused in towns and cities across the nation. elaine quijano hits the pool with katie ledecky as america's greatest female swimmer goes for still more gold at next month's paris olympics. plus, commentary from historian douglas brinkley and more. it's the first sunday morning in a new month, june 2nd, 2024. we'll return in a moment. ♪ ♪

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the verdict is in for the first criminal trial of an american president. robert costa takes a closer look at the week that was and what comes next. >> the fallout continued today after the historic conviction of donald trump. >> historic, donald trump the first former president ever to be convicted of a crime. >> reporter: historic. >> there is no playbook for this. it's unprecedented. >> unprecedented. felony conviction of donald trump. >> reporter: unprecedented. >> found guilty on all counts.

>> trump hats opinion found guilty. >> reporter: and guilty. >> donald trump found guilty on all 34 counts. >> reporter: you couldn't escape those words this past week. a former president convicted on 34 felony counts in a city he long called home. but beyond all the drama, says cbs news legal contributor rebecca roiphe, was simply a jury of seven men and five women doing their duty. >> nobody is above the law. it's a refrain here at the end of this trial. >> yes, you know, you can have all sorts of power, have all sorts of wealth, but when you're in that courtroom, you are just like anybody else. of course, there are some who will look at this case and not look at it that way. >> reporter: former president trump is one of them. >> it was a rigged trial. we wanted a venue change where we could have a fair trial. we didn't get to.

>> reporter: president biden, meanwhile, defended the legal system. >> the jury heard five weeks of evidence. they found donald trump guilty on all 34 felony counts. now he will be given the opportunity, as he should, to appeal that decision. >> trump is guilty! >> reporter: the gravity of this moment is obvious. a stress test for democracy. >> we love trump! we love trump! >> reporter: just as the trump/biden rates is heating up, less obvious is what happens next. can you still serve as president if you are a convicted felon? >> yes, you can. i mean, it is part of our system that we have certain limitations on the presidency and that is not one of them in the constitution. there is nothing barring somebody from either running for the presidency or for being president adds a convicted felon. >> reporter: trump is scheduled to be sentenced on july 11th,

days before republicans are set to nominate him again. trump attorney todd blanche. >> is it possible your client could be in jail during the republican national convention? >> it's possible. that's something that i don't want to think about. i don't think it's going to happen. it's possible, of course. >> reporter: regardless, the summer with its to debates, conventions and other political fireworks is likely to be a season of trump's grievance. >> this is a campaign and this is a political career based on conflict, conflict, conflict, conflict. other politicians are going -- running away from conflict. he is running absolutely towards it. >> reporter: author michael wolff covered the trial and has written several books on trump, whose campaign says they raised over $50.24 hours after the verdict and trump kept top republicans at his side amid his legal troubles.

some even showed up at court in loyal red ties. >> this is a sham. this is not the united states of america. this is some third reason rate banana republic. >> the fact that this person keeps going against these things that no one could shoulder, somehow weirdly makes him heroic to many, many, many, many people. for wolff, it's a crossroads, a reckoning of trump and the combative new york world of infamous lawyers and fixers, hush money and tabloids. trump has now made our own. >> as a long time observer and writer on trump, what do you make of him, someone who forged his career in the '70s and '80s alongside a new york lawyer like roy cohn now finding himself a convicted felon in lower manhattan? >> i mean, it almost is poetic. if you were a writer and you

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album called "illinois," pronounced without the e, by the si singer-songwriter sufjan stevens. >> drove to chicago -- >> reporter: an on stage band handles the music and singing. the actors are dancers, telling the story not through tie log, but through the choreography of justin peck. >> i have seen sufjan stevens in concert. this is not traditionally dance music. >> he doesn't write music in a straightforward way. i think it challenges the ear. i felt like there was a unique rhythmic and dance world to be found in his music. >> reporter: peck began exploring that world in 2012 when he used the music in a work for the new york city ballet. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: since then, peck's dances have leapt on to broadway. and the big screen. he has become one of the world's most celebrated choreographers. but he says "illinois" was always on his mind.

>> every once in a while, hey, sufjan, what do you think about a taking "illinois" and turning it into a musical? he was like, okay, here is the keys to the car. like, take this. explore it. i will be there to support you. >> reporter: sufjan stevens's involvement has been limited. last fall he announced he was recovering from guillain-barre syndrome, which had left him unable to walk. peck says he knew stevens had faith in him, but he figured he could use some help so he recruited pulitzer prize-winning playwright jackie sibblies drury. did you like the challenge of writing a musical without words? >> yes. i feel like, maybe more musicals should not have words. >> reporter: they thought about including dialogue, then decided against it, but they still wanted to tell a story. >> we peek in here, what's in this secret book you created together? >> it's almost like a treatment if we think of the pieces like a silent film. it's like a narrative description of what goes on over

the course of the show. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: the show follows a restless young man named henry who finds himself around a camp fire with friends sharing diary entries. and who eventually decides to share his own story. >> we are doing what the characters do, sort of sitting around a camp fire. >> it's an ode to the origins of theater making. it's like this is how it all began. people started to tell each other stories and entertain one another. >> reporter: one of the musicians is shara nova. >> we were just having fun seeing how the ripple has blown out, it's just incredible. >> reporter: it was far from broadway, what was happening back then? >> exactly. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: you are standing up here every night, you can look out into the audience. the people who come to the show, do they know the songs already?

>> some of them know the songs and some don't. and you can sure see the ones that do because they are moving in five. >> reporter: right. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: a lot of fans of sufjan stevens love this show. a lot of people who love the show are discovering sufjan stevens. does sufjan stevens love the show? >> that's an interesting question. he came to see the show a few w weeks ago and he was really blown away by it. ♪ ♪ >> he just kind of took it all in and had a great spirit about it. there were a few funny moments he was like, did i write that lyric? that doesn't make any sense. >> reporter: there is something so bittersweet about the idea he is struggling with his own mobility at the time that his songs are being given new life in this very physical form. >> yeah. it's a lot to grapple with.

♪ i can't explain ♪ >> the show also deals with a lot of grief. it's very much reflective of life. there are high moments and very low moments. i think that's part of why audiences are really able to connect to this musical. >> reporter: "illinoise" is an unlikely broadway show, but it received 14 any nominations, including best musical. and justin peck likes the idea that audiences might not know quite what they're in for. >> that's the mark of good work, if an audience can know nothing it and enter into the space and take it in and have an experience that moves them. >> reporter: like an eloquent way of saying no spoilers? >> no spoilers, exactly. no spoilers.

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the late author michael crichton was fascinated with volcanos for most of his life. and even now, 16 years after his death, among the countless books and papers at his office in santa monica, you'll find stacks of volcano research. this is all volcanos? >> this is all volcanos. >> reporter: for his widow, sherri alexander crichton, it's almost as if he is still here. >> i feel his energy around all the time. >> reporter: do you talk to him? >> i do. >> reporter: you do? >> i do. i always connect with him. >> reporter: after he died, how long did it take for you to come here? >> wow. pretty soon. pretty quickly. i couldn't -- i couldn't not be where he was. >> reporter: and in the mountain of papers he left behind, she found parts of an unfinished

novel centered around a huge volcanic eruption. >> the very, very early drafts. >> reporter: it struck sherri crichton as something he would have wanted to share a posthumous blockbuster from someone who, in his relatively short life, gave the world so much. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: in the literary wrld, michael crichton was a colossus. the only writer to have a number one book, movie, and tv show in the same year. he was also a harvard educated doctor, a prolific genius who created scientific thrillers that brought millions along on heart-pounding rides from big city emergency rooms in "e.r." -- >> is he downstairs? >> reporter: to the tornado-ravaged heartland in "twister." to places that exist only in our dreams, or our nightmares.

sherri crichton remembers him as someone who was incredibly fun, but at times distant. >> i remember when i first started dating michael, a very dear friend of mine said, sherri, it's going to go like this. it's going to feel like he doesn't want to have anything to do with you when he is writing. it's not going to feel like he loves you anymore because he is going to be into the book and you are going to have to be okay with that. i was like, of course. of course, i will be okay. when it hit, like that first few times when he would really separate, he was present, but he actually was still in his creation, whatever that was. >> reporter: how did you deal with that? >> i had a hard time. i am not going to -- it was hard. and it took a lot of self-confidence to be able to say to myself, this is going to be okay. let's give it another month. let's see what it's going to be

like. >> reporter: and it was okay. they married in 2005. but three years later, michael crichton died of cancer at age 66, leaving sherri alone and six months pregnant with their son john michael. as she picked up the pieces of her life, she zofrds and read parts of the volcano book he had been working on, a page-turner about a massive eruption in hawaii worse than any in history. >> and then did it just stop? >> that's it. you come to the last page. but i kept thinking, there has to be more. there has to be more. >> reporter: and so, after more than a decade, she decided it was time to finish it. >> then it was like, now, who is going to do that? and so i just went big. i thought, what about james patterson? what about james patterson?

>> reporter: james patterson, you might have heard, is one of the most successful authors in history. he sold something like 400 million books and collaborated with people like president bill clinton and the great dolly parton. truth is, paterson has a bag log of projects that keep him working every day, but when sherri crichton called, he answer. >> i can't imagine that you were looking for something to do? >> i am always looking for something to do. >> reporter: are you? >> sure, a little bit. i am open to things to do for sure. >> reporter: and crichton's story was too good for him to pass up about the big explosive volcano and the fact that it threatened to crack open a stockpile of toxic waste so potent that it could destroy life on planet earth. but finishing the book was a tall order for both paterson and sherri crichton. you said you were apprehensive at first, that you were a little nervous? >> i was nervous because it's a

new relationship, and -- >> and she lives in hollywood and people lie out here. >> you know, i have to say i was very -- i am just fiercely protective of michael's materials. >> reporter: how did you find michael crichton's voice, or did you have find his voice? >> i had read everything that michael crichton wrote. so i think i had a sense of the voice. this book might be a little pacier than some of his books, just a little bit, but i a feeling for it. i challenge people to, for them to say, this is where michael stopped and this is where james started. i'm really proud of that. i am happy about it. >> reporter: the end result, "eruption" by michael crichton and james patterson, will be out tomorrow. >> there is a -- i don't know where this comes from. it's not me, but i love it. it relates to my taking this project. i think it's more valuable for 20-year-olds than it is for me. the quote is, my time here is short, what can i do most

beautifully? and i thought with "eruption" and this michael crichton, i thought i could do it beautifully. >> reporter: he is not wrong. the finished book is already said to have studios clamoring for the film rights and it's also true to the spirit of the man who started it. for people who just know him through his books, what was michael crichton like? >> he was just -- he was amazing. he was vulnerable and kind. >> reporter: and now his work will live on in a team effort that's both highly anticipated and, to sherri crichton at least, worth waiting for. >> i was single until the time i met michael, and people used to go, why are you so picky? i'm like, it's just not right yet. it's just not right. so i waited. and it was the same thing with

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any day now the supreme court is expected to rule on a case that could have far reaching implications for the unhoused across america.

john blackstone reports on what's at stake. >> reporter: with foothills rising above, boise, idaho, is a place of beauty. but it's the city's less scenic quarters, dead ends and back alleys, that were robert martin's home on and off for 15 years. >> sitting like so. had a blanket wrapped up. laying down underneath the cushioning between me and the ground and catch a few winks. >> reporter: nights when boise's homeless shelters were full, martin got sleep wherever he could. >> there were times i slepd in garage stairwells on cement, slept in rock, you know, up under overpasses on the rocks and dirt. >> reporter: in boise, sleeping or camping on public property is against the law. martin was one of many ticketed and fined for sleeping in public. >> robert's case i thought was a vivid portrayal of the situation that homeless people find

themselves in. >> reporter: howard belodoff of idaho legal aid services saw a constitutional issue in boise's camping ordinance and made a fderal case out of it. >> here is a guy, he has no place to sleep. he has been walking around all night because he has been warned, you can't, quote, unquote, can't, which just means you can't have a blanket around you. >> reporter: in 2009 in federal court belodoff filed a lawsuit known as "martin vs. boise" arguing that the city of boise had violated the eighth amendment of the constitution's ban on cruel and unusual punishment by leaving those without homes nowhere to legally sleep. >> it's cruel and unusual in the true sense of the word because every single one us, rich, poor, old, young, male, female, they need to sleep. >> reporter: nine years later, the 9th circuit court of appeals based in san francisco agreed with belodoff, writing, it considered whether the eighth amendment's prohibition on cruel

and unusual punishment bars a city from prosecuting people criminally for sleeping outside on public property. concluding it does. >> the fact that the courts have crippled our ability to do our jobs, to help get people into shelters, is criminal. >> reporter: san francisco's mayor london breed blames "martin vs. boise" for worsening the city's crisis. a court order bars san francisco from clearing sidewalk encampments unless you can guarantee a place to sleep for everyone it moves. a challenge in a city with more than 8,000 homeless, fewer than 4,000 shelter beds. nationally, there is a lack of shelter beds. by one estimate, about 188,000 more people need shelter than there are beds available. but the "martin vs. boise" decision applies only to the nine western states under 9th circuit jurisdiction. in the rest of country, 14 states have laws making it a

crime to camp in public places, and 27 states have laws against vague rensy and loitering that can be used to move along those sleeping in public. those kinds of laws have effectively been outlawed in 9th circuit states. >> what the 9th circuit said is that a person can't be punished for being homeless if there aren't adequate shelter beds or places to go. >> reporter: erwin chemerinsky a leading constitutional scholar and teen of the law school at uc berkeley. >> the 8th amendment prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment we think of it as being applied to death-penalty cases, for example. how can it be applied to homelessness? >> in 1962, the united states supreme court said it's cruel and unusual punishment to punish somebody for a status. in that case, they said you can't punish somebody for being a drug addict. you punish them for taking drugs, possessing drugs, but not for the status of being

addicted. likewise, the federal court of the appeals here said you can't punish somebody for the status of being unhoused. >> needing more affordable housing. >> reporter: since the unhoused can't be denied a place to sleep, mayor kate collins in san rafael, california, is almost powerless to move the person living in a tent besides city hall. shelters here are usually full, which means this suburban city at 60,000 can legally do little about encampments on its streets. >> every time we pass an ordinance, we were sued either immediately or within the timeframe that that could happen. >> reporter: must be frustrating to say to residents here, sorry, we can't move the people who are camped at the end of your street because the court told us we can't? >> it is frustrating. people don't want to hear that san rafael doesn't have the independent ability to work with our unhoused community. so when we say it's because of the federal law, it takes people a moment to say, really?

>> reporter: while many cities complain about "martin vs. boise," grants pass, oregon, is doing something. the city appealed to the supreme court. when the case was argued in april, advocates for the unhoused demonstrated outside the court while inside attorney theane evangelis representing grants pass urged the justices to overturn "martin vs. boise." >> it would be a disaster if martin were who remain on the books in any form. >> reporter: how did grants pass, oregon, population, what, 40,000, become central to this case before the supreme court? >> it was sued by a group of plaintiffs who claimed that it would be cruel and unusual punishment for grants pass to enforce its local camping ordinances. >> reporter: the supreme court decision expected this month could impact homeless policy across the country. >> all of us living here within the 9th circuit have seen the effects firsthand of these decisions, and that's why if the

supreme court were to agree with the 9th circuit, those conditions would spread the rest of the country, and that would be the opposite of solving had problem. >> on the other hand, i think there is such a compelling argument what the 9th circuit said, you can't make something a crime if there is no alternative. >> reporter: what's on the line in the supreme court in this? >> for homeless people, the question is are they going to face criminal punishment because they don't have any place to live. for cities, what can cities do lawfully to deal with their unhoused population. and for the constitution, the question is, what's this going to mean for the 8th amendment. >> reporter: robert martin no longer lives on the streets but his thoughts still remain with those who search for places to sleep. >> being homeless should never equate to an unlawful act. being homeless is an unforeseen and unfortunate circ*mstance. >> reporter: for howard belodoff, the attorney who

started it all, the case is not only about the rights of the homeless. it's also about their humanity. >> they feel so powerless because nobody listens and nobody cares. for the first time, they feel like they are a person. and they're recognized.

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while former president trump has mainly generated headlines as a defendant of late, mr. trump's faithful supporters see him in a very different light. senior contributor ted koppel takes a closer look at the election and what may come after. >> fake news! >> reporter: it's mid-april in an open field at the edge of schnecksville. on the outskirts of allentown, pennsylvania. >> next rally, sir. >> reporter: they have not entirely surrendered. the faithful have been lining up since late morning, although mr. trump is not expected before early evening. on a day like today it's cold. >> it is. >> reporter: it's wet.

>> yep. >> reporter: it's nasty. >> yep. >> reporter: what the hell brings you out here? >> the truth. freedom. we want our freedoms. that's what we're here for. freedom. > nobody cares about the working class. you don't care about us. you want your ratings on cbs and you want to lift up that idiot in the white house. >> reporter: okay. you have already made up your mind about me. >> no, i'm not saying you. sorry if you thought that. >> reporter: that's all right. >> i am saying the media, you have been lying to the american people long enough. >> reporter: this rally took place weeks before any verdict in trump's new york trial had been reached, but the faithful weren't going to be swayed by any verdict delivered by a new york jury. >> he is not guilty. if anybody's guilty, it's biden. sorry. >> reporter: it would appear to be very few, if any, people in this crowd -- >> it was rigged. it was fake. >> reporter: looking to be convinced of anything new. do you think trump lost the last action?

>> no. >> not at all. >> the truth will come out. it's coming out slowly. >> reporter: there will be another election. when it's all over, if know say trump lost? >> he will not leave. >> reporter: why? >> it's in god's hands. he is going to straighten this country out. >> i am a christian. i just know that there is a lot more to this than what they are showing us out there now. i think god's behind everything we do here sincerely. >> reporter: you think president trump is a man of god? >> well, i would like to think he is. i feel he is. ful i feel he is. and every time he is charged with something, more and more people come out to stand behind him. >> reporter: that would certainly appear to be the case on this blustery day in pennsylvania. a solid crowd of close to 8,000. they seem to draw energy and confidence from one another. >> we are living in a fascist state. >> reporter: over these past few weeks in interviews and other

public appearances, trump himself has raised the spector of violence should he lose this next election. the events of january 6th, the violence on the steps of congress, the chaos in the halls of congress, president trump's initial reluctance to call his supporters off, all of that has congealed into an alternate reality. no longer a travesty to be condemned, it is an act of heroism to be celebrated. >> please rise for the horribly and unfairly treated january 6th hostages. ♪ o say can you see ♪ >> reporter: some rallies, men identified as the convicted rioters, singing the national anthem are invoked as victims, even heroes. ♪ at the twilight's last gleaming ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen --

>> reporter: not tonight though. >> please welcome the next president of the united states, president donald j. trump! ♪ >> reporter: trump seems to be missing some of his usual spark. >> i'm freezing my ass off up here. >> reporter: they can relate. many have been out here for more than eight hours. they are nothing if not sympathetic. >> two days from now -- >> reporter: the former president is only days away from his own trial in new york. >> biden trial. they are all biden trials. you know that, right? >> reporter: they know the donald trump -- >> a crooked judge -- >> reporter: may be distracted. >> fully gagged before a highly conflicted and corrupt judge. >> reporter: only a couple hours away from the civil war battlefield at gettysburg. >> the battle of gettysburg, what an unbelievable -- i mean, it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and

horrible and so beautiful in so many different ways. >> reporter: other than proximity though, the president appears unsure as to why he brought it up. >> gettysburg, wow. i go to gettysburg, pennsylvania, to look and to watch and the statement of robert e. lee, who is no longer in favor. did you notice that? no longer in favor. never fight uphill, boys. they were fighting uphill. he said, wow. >> reporter: did lee have an irish brouge? almost certainly not. what happened at gettysburg was the beginning of the end for confederate forces. despite his crushing defeat, lee looms majestically over the battlefield. by all appearances, triumphant. it is particularly to foreign visitors a bizarre notion honoring the man who led an army of rebels. it falls to chris gwinn, gettysburg's chief of

interpretation and education, to explain. >> the confederates lost the battle. they lost the war. but for a long, long time they won the war of memory. they won the war of memory because what most visitors encounter is a battlefield that has achieved this kind of moral equivalency. >> reporter: you are putting it it in the past tense, as though that were no longer the case. it is still the case. >> it's still the case. there is a memorial down the road to the state of mississippi and on that monument it talks about the righteous cause that mississippians fought for. what was that cause? >> . >> reporter: slavery. >> and you could go back to the declaration of secession when the war begins and in 1860, they will tell you what the war is about. to protect legisslavery. it's not not on that monument. >> reporter: as we reflected on the war of memory, we learned that the names of robert e. lee

and stonewall jackson are being restored to a couple of schools in shenandoah county, virginia. >> let's uncancel stonewall jackson. thank you. >> reporter: that reversal comes less than four years after the names were changed in response to the black lives matter movement. memory? history? which ultimately triumphs? memory or history? >> memory usually triumphs. at least in the short term. >> reporter: i don't think there has ever been a more recorded mini insurrection than what happened on january 6th, and yet we're still arguing about what happened. are you seeing some of the same similarities that i'm seeing in what's happening today? >> to a degree. >> reporter: i mean, you don't

have to if it's too hot a potato. >> it's a little hot for the parks service. what i remember from the january 6th riot, insurrection, is i saw confederate battle flags in the halls of congress for the first time. they achieved something that robert e. lee and his army in morning virginia never got close to. they are physically in the halls of congress with the same battle flag that virginia units on this battlefield carried. and that's something i never thought i'd see. >> reporter: does it bother you? >> be deeply. profoundly. >> reporter: because? >> we fought a four-year war that cost 700,000 lives, and to see that symbol, that flag utilized in that way and to see it in that building was something that i think if you could go and reincarnate some of these union soldiers, united states soldiers buried in that

cemetery, they would be aghast at the sight of that. >> reporter: and yet when the civil war began with a surrender of fort sumter in 1861, there was throughout much of the land wild celebration and no inkling of the price to be paid. wars rarely begin in a climate of foresight. so, could the chest beating at a political rally provide real insight as to what could happen in the event of another trump defeat? >> we have to get biden the hell out of office and send him back to wherever he comes from. >> condition one, be ready. i think there is going to be real unrest in this country. i think everybody will step up now. condition one, be ready. just be ready. this way, sir. >> reporter: condition one refers to a firearm with a safety on -- >> we love trump!

>> reporter: a live round in the chamber and the hammer co*cked. >> condition one. >> we will never, ever, ever, ever back down. >> reporter: president trump's critics and their legion are fearful of what his victory in the election might mean for the country. they might do well to consider the consequences of another trump defeat. >> we will not go another four years at the pace we're going. our side will fight back then. >> reporter: tell me what that means? >> our freedom will not be stolen anymore. >> reporter: what if it happens again? >> be are ready. just be ready for war. >> reporter: really? >> i think some of us are going to go and be a little nuts over it. ♪ ♪

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>> you have to see the curve. that's why i picked this street, the curve. >> reporter: in greenwich village where she shot the video -- ♪ >> reporter: for the grammy-winning "girls just want to have fun." ♪ i want to be the one to walk in the sun ♪ ♪ >> reporter: the song that launched her career in 1983. a career that's carried her from pop stardom to the broadway stage. ♪ >> reporter: she won a tony writing the score for "kinky boots" in 2013. >> i never wanted just a hit song. i wanted a song that meant something, like the songs that got me through. like the songs i used to chant walking along when i felt like, oh, my god, how am am i gonna live? why the hell was i born? >> reporter: those were hard questions for lauper. you learn in the new documentary

"let the canary sing" on paramount plus, a television of our parent company. she grw up in a catholic family in queens, new york, with her younger brother fred and older sister ellen. you guys were really close? >> oh, my god, so close to ellen. i would have been on the other side of her. my sister and i, we wrote songs together. she was my first writing partner. >> reporter: as kids, you had a tough time with your stepfather? >> yeah. i think he had some serious mental issues. >> reporter: made really hard for you? >> oh, yeah, really bad. >> reporter: the worst came after ellen had moved out. your sister was away. you were home. >> and something happened. and i called my sister and told her about it. she said, okay, just come here now.

don't stay there anymore. it's probably not safe. >> reporter: how old were you at that point? >> well, all the [ bleep ] went down when i was 12. it really started at 8. i am not sure if it started at 4 1/2. i just found that music made it better. >> reporter: her mother was a music fan, and in 1964 -- >> this rock and roll group took over. >> reporter: when the beatles came to america, she took cyndi to see them arrive at kennedy airport. >> to see them drive by. >> reporter: did you see them? >> i would have seen them better if i didn't close my eyes and scream. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: lauper's strong voice got her noticed when she was fronting the band blue angel. she signed a solo deal and the label brought her the song

"girls just want to have fun." ♪ the phone rings in the middle of the night ♪ >> reporter: you said you didn't want to sing that song? >> it was written by a guy. hey, dad, we are the fortunate ones because girls just wanna have fun. guess who they want to have fun with? me. >> reporter: producer rick insisted. >> it could be an anthem for girls. so when he said that, i started thinking, what can you do? ♪ that's all they really want ♪ >> reporter: she added reggae and motown influences and decided to sing it really high. ♪ they just wanna, they just wanna ♪ >> and then all of a sudden the girls just wanna have fun that everyone knows now was born. i have had some incredible moments in my life, and really magical and mystical.

one of them was with patti labelle. i heard they are sing "time after time." i felt like, okay, i could drop the mic now. i just heard one of the greatest singers sing something i wrote. oh, my god ♪ if you fall i will catch you ♪ ♪ i will be waiting ♪ ♪ time after time ♪ >> reporter: another came in 1985 when she was invited to be a part of the all-star chorus that sang "we are the world," seen in the recent documentary "the greatest night in pop." but co-producer quincy jones complained she messed up takes with her rattling bracelets. have you seen what quincy said about you? >> that i was a troublemaker? >> reporter: yes. >> poor thing. i really admired quincy. look, i'm sorry. i still wear jangly things. sorry.

>> reporter: so what's your memory of that experience? did you have a good time? >> magical. just to be included. but then again, i was very up famous then. ♪ well, well, realize that a change can only come ♪ >> reporter: you weren't really very happy with "fame"? >> no. you need fame to continue your work. >> reporter: right. >> but what i really wanted, anthony, my big dream was really, really, really to be a great artist someday. and i still feel like i can do it. >> reporter: but you have done that your whole life. >> yeah, but something that's undeniable. something nobody could tear down. >> reporter: where did you stand? >> here. around here somewhere. >> reporter: after our interview at the old power station studio

in new york we stood in the exact spot where lauper recorded "true colors." ♪ i see your true colors shining through ♪ ♪ i see your true colors ♪ >> i don't even know where that came from. heaven. i don't know. i'm just glad i was the conduit. >> reporter: back in 1986, she just lost a friend to aids. >> that was really opening up a vein, and i remember the first time i heard it. i went and hid in the closet. i was like, oh, my god, i can't believe i did that. why did i do that? that's so over the top vulnerable. too much. >> reporter: it felt so perm? >> it was. ♪ your true colors ♪ >> reporter: this is you right

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exist for katie ledecky. how much time are you spending in the water? >> i swim nine to ten times a week for two hours at a time. >> reporter: by her own estimate, ledecky swims up to 70,000 meters or roughly 43 miles each week as she gears up for the paris olympics next month. and if that isn't enough, after hitting the pool she hits the weights. she has won ten olympic medals, seven gold, and has more individual olympic gold medals than any woman swimmer in history. >> i love the distance races. i love the training. really it's the competition, if they didn't exist, i think i would still love it. >> reporter: anthony nesty has coached her since 2021. how good is katie ledecky? >> katie's probably the best female swim ever. >> reporter: nesty it a pioneer himself.

>> anthony nesty! >> reporter: the first black man to win an individual olympic swimming gold medal. how does katie compare to other swimmers that you have worked with? >> the most important thing about katie is her passion of swimming. i think she enjoys the grind more than competing, which the day to day, the week to week, the month to month. she gives you 100% all the time. >> reporter: ledecky has lsimpl loved being in the water from the first time she jumped in a pool as a little girl. >> i have so many happy memories of those days playing marco polo with my brother and those little games. i never remember being fearful of the water or afraid of how cold it auto would be or afraid of any aspect of the sport. >> reporter: it was joy from the beginning it sounds like? >> yeah, it was always joy. >> reporter: that passion runs in the family. her mother and older brother michael swam competitively.

by age 12, katie ledecky was out-swimming other kids at a local swim club near her home in bethesda, maryland, and in 2012 she propelled herself to a spot on team usa at the london olympics. she was 15 years old. >> once i made the olympic team, i, for whatever reason, was able to visualize myself winning the gold medal. >> reporter: how did you have that level of confidence at age 15? >> i don't know. i think i just really trusted the work that i had put in. i think i just believed in myself. >> reporter: the 800 meter freestyle requires athletes to swim the length of the pool 16 times. that's half a mile. in ledecky's new book, "just add water," she recalls the crowd that day in london roaring for her competitor the hometown favorite. but in the final laps, she s seized that energy for herself. i distinctly remember flipping at the 600 with 200 meters left,

and it was like waking up. i said to myself, i'm winning. i'm at the olympics. i'm beating these people next to me. >> 25 meters left for ledecky! >> don't mess this up. >> ledecky is a gold medalist! >> reporter: in her international debut, ledecky had won her first olympic gold medal and gained global recognition all while being the youngest member of team usa. >> katie, she may have been swimming in london, but still had to finish the summer reading assignments for her high school english class. where is katie? there she is. [ applause ] >> reporter: ledecky continued to dominate swim competitions worldwide. she went on to win six more olympic gold medals at the 2016 rio games and the tokyo olympics in 2021. >> kathleen genevieve ledecky. [ applause ] >> reporter: last month those accomplishments brought ledecky

back to the white house. this time as the first swimmer ever to receive the nation's highest civilian honor, the president of medal of freedom. >> katie ledecky is the most decorated female swimmer in history. with ten olympic medals and counting. >> reporter: but recent revelations suggest ledecky may have earned one more gold medal. in april "the new york times" reported 23 chinese swimmers, including two who helped defeat ledecky and her teammates in a relay race, had tested positive for a banned substance just months before the tokyo games. chinese officials say the swimmers inadvertently ate contaminated food. the world anti-doping agency declined to take action. >> in this instance, it doesn't seem like everything was followed to a "t." so i'd like to see some accountability here. i'd like to see some answers as to why this happened the way it did, and i'd really like to see

that steps are taken for the future so that we can regain some confidence in the global system. >> reporter: and do you think the results of 2021 need to be rescinded, reexamined? what would you like to see happen there? >> i think the whole case has to be reexamined independently and thoroughly and all of the information needs to be out there. >> reporter: in a statement to "sunday morning," the world anti-doping agency said it found compelling scientific evidence that pointed exclusively to the fact that this was a case of no fault contamination and not doping. wada followed the process and line of inquiry when reviewing this file. they say a new review is underway, but there is unlikely to be a resolution before the paris olympics, less than eight weeks away. >> it's hard going into paris knowing we are going to be racing some of these athletes and i think our faith in some of

the systems is at an all-time low. you try not to think too much about when you're actually racing and the best thing to do is to just go out there and try to win. it's tough when you have in the back of your head that it's not necessarily an even playing field. >> reporter: ledecky is 27 years old now and even as she focuses on paris, she is already looking ahead to 2028 when the olympics are set to take place in los angeles. >> i think 2028 would be an incredible cap on my career. i don't even want to say that at this point because who knows? i could get to 2028 and say, no, i don't want to be done yet. i want to keep going. >> reporter: as you're watching this, katie ledecky is scheduled to be back in the pool just as she was yesterday and will be again tomorrow safe ovoring eve p bit of the grind.

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i have always admired thomas jefferson for wanting no title before his name except mister. he didn't want or expect special treatment under the law. >> this is long from over. >> former president trump's conviction proves that in the eyes of the law even an ex-president is just another mister. it's also worth noting this kind of jury trial never could have happened in the authoritarian countries that mr. trump so admires. xi of china, russia's putin, hungary's orban, erdogan of turkey. none would ever be tried by a jury of their peers. unlike those countries, the united states vigorously upholds the rule of law. our founders believes liberty and justice for all would bring monarchs, despots and populist demagogues to heel. the good news is our judicial system ran a cogent and fair trial in new york. the manhattan criminal court has

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i'm jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." ♪ i'm margaret brennan in washington and this week on "face the nation." with former president trump now officially a convicted felon, how will that impact campaign 2024? donald trump, was among the faithful when he dropped in on the saturday night ultimate fighting championship. in new jersey last night. >> boy, the round of applause he's getting is staggering. but what do voters think of the trump conviction outsi

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